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Greg Grassle

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Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 12:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I believe this drain seacock is below the waterline. If I'm mistaken & it's above the waterline it doesn't matter so much except when heeling. I read somewhere a long time ago you shouldn't do this on a below the waterline seacock. Owners forget to close the seacocks when leaving the boat and the hose slips off the fitting and starts flooding. That's why 2 hose clamps are recommended on these fittings. I had a C & C 29 that even had the top of the drain hose wired into place beneath the sink so if it slipped off the bottom of the sink, the end would still be above the waterline. By putting a "T" or "Y" in this hose you increase the odds of a failure at any one of these connections - very possibly below the waterline causing flooding.

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Jeff Roy (Jeffr)

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Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Greg,

I am curious, why do you recommend against "T"ing into the sink drain (that is how I read your post).

My post against "T" ing into the fresh water supply was based on contamination of the freshwater lines, pump & tank.

Other than the height issue, I do not see the drwaback in using the sink drain through hull
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Greg Grassle

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Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 11:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We installed both refrigeration and pressure water last summer. The icebox drain hose was run to the foot pump. We can put water into the icebox for cleaning then pump it into the sink for draining. Footpump does an adequate job of draining for me. Installed a seperate faucet & line for the pressure water. We keep a cork in both icebox drains as I read one time cold air runs out the drains just like water. Bilge stays bone dry, beer stays cold. Would also strongly recommend against a "T" or "Y" in drain hose.

Greg Grassle
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Russ Fender (Admin)

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 01:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

John, sounds like you have lots of options. A small point JeffR made that I would like to strongly second is Never T or Y anything into the fresh water line especially on the suction side of the pump. There is a lot of nasty things that can develope and grow in your ice box that you don't want in your fresh water system. This would also hold true in trying to T or Y your head water supply from your fresh water lines.

Russ Fender
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Larry Teachworth

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 01:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The hose was extended from the area in front of the engine to under the Port settee and forward to the head. You could also route it part of the way through the bilge and then up under the setee by making a hole near your existing bilge pump hose.
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Deborah Davenport (Ddavenport)

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 12:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We led the drain line to a small cylindrical handheld pump (costs about $30). The pump is mounted just inside the louvred door under the galley sink using two 3/4-round plastic brackets. When we want to pump out the icebox, we remove the pump from its brackets, put the output hose into the sink, and pump. If the gurgling noise from the upper shelf drain annoys you, put a can over it or a cork into it. This has worked fine for 15 years.
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John Stefancik (Jstef)

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Larry,

Wow... I can't believe I didn't think of that already! I think you've posted the best solution. And it's so simple and practical, especially since the show sump pump rarely gets used anyway.

One question though, specifically where do you run the hose from the icebox? Right now mine empties just in front of the engine into the very back of the bilge. How do you get it forward to the head?
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Larry Teachworth

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I installed a "T" valve in the drain hose for the shower sump pump. The sump pump drains the ice box in a matter of minutes. The valve was installed in the head, under the sink.
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JeffR

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have been thinking of "T" ing my icebox drain into the sink drain line. I am not sure it will work becuase of the height of the ball valve on the through hull.

An easy solution I used on my 6.9 was just to put a shutoff valve on the end of the drain hose. I kept it closed most of the time. When it came time to drain the ice box I just opened the valve and let it pour into an old soda bottle which I then dumped into the cockpit (6.9 has no sink)

I don't like the idea of T ing anything into the fresh water line especially on the suction side of the pump.

I never understood the concept of letting iceboxes drain all the time. You are just pouring a lot of cold down the drain. That water holds a lot of BTU's. Think about it, what keeps beer colder, longer a cooler full of cold air or a bucket full of icewater.

The other thing I do not like about dumping the cooler into the bilge is that fresh water is much more prone to growing mildew and mold than salt. since most of these boats are in the lakes I guess that is not a big issue to most owners.
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pastcommodore

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We simply plugged our ice chest drain. We use a small, batery powered hand pump (from Attwood) to empty the ice chest into the sink. I have spoken to another owner who re-routed his ice chest drain to the foot pump for the sink. He used a Y valve to select between emptying the chest or accessing the water supply. We have not explored alternative draining because we simply haven't wanted to become embroiled in that area of the bilge. We would be also interested in any solutions others have found.
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John Stefancik (Jstef)

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Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 09:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has anyone moved the drain hose from the icebox from emptying into the bilge? I do not have an electric bilge pump and the manual gusher pump will not remove small amounts (such as the gallon or two that accumulates from melting ice.)

Every time we do a long race or weekend stuff I use the icebox and the water spills around when we heal. I also would rather not spend time sopping up the bilge if I don't have to...anybody have any suggestions as to another thru-hull I could merge the icebox hose with?

THANKS.

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